Have you ever met a fellow pagan and instantly did not like them. I did the other day. This friend of mine introduced me to her room mate, the first thing he did was not a hello or nice to meet ya. He reached out an put his hand on my face. Now I have issues with men in general, yet I've gotten them under control, but for someone I do not know to touch me really upsets me. I told him not to do that again. But that's not what really bothers me, it was a feeling I got  from him that bothers me the most. I kept it to myself thinking it was just that I didn't know him. Then a few days later, I met up with him again, and he kept saying that we'd make a great pair, {for rituals and what not} but I would need training and what have you. I said thanks but no. I like working alone. {Ok he said a few things that I took offence to.) Now my friend came to me the other day and told me, he told her not to trust me and to stay away from me. WTF!!!! Of coarse she didn't listen, but still. This guy knows nothing about me an yet is going to other pagans that don't know me and telling them to stay away from me. This has really upset me. Why would someone do that? The one thing me freind told me was that he doesn't like the fact that I am stronger then he is. Stronger?? I've never given that much thought.

Now I've been told he had a coven/group once over in New York and Colorado. I have yet to find anything to back this up. I even went to witchvox and he is there, but that's it.

So am I right in my first imprestion of him?  Yea I know I should just let it go, but this really bugs the hell out of me.

An just so you'll know whom I speaking of, here's his witchvox profile link.

http://www.witchvox.com/vn/vn_detail/dt_cl.html?a=usla&id=6908

I wouldn't worry too much about him.  People like this usually have ego issues due to low self-esteem or whatever and puff themselves up as if they are more important than they really are.  He revealed his issues when he told your friend that you are stronger than he is.  You intimidate him and he must make himself feel secure, which he does not.  There is nothing he can do to hurt you, so long as you remain true to yourself.  He may talk like a big duck, but in the end, the people he tries to fool with his nonsense will hear his true voice.  If he touches you again, since you have already set that boundary with him, it becomes harassment.

That or if he goes to touch you again just growl and snap at his fingers, lol.

I am not a violent person but if he tried to lay his hand on my face he would probably have a couple of broken fingers. And then I may semi nicely point out that he ain't no damn Vulcan. There are a couple like that around here, I never met them personally and have no desire to. Trust yourself. Just remember that a lot of people like that need to keep their mouth shut then you wonder if they are ignorant, but they usually open their mouth and prove it  

Sundown
Sorry if I seem a bit blunt but people like that really burn my butt!

edit to add: Send him up here to north Louisiana, I got a couple old boys here in the hill I want him to lay hands on  

Hi Indeshadows,

Don't let him rent space in your brain, he feels like a "playgan" to me. Someone who likes to flash their "credentials" and "play" at being Pagan/Wiccan.

Anyone with common courtesy doesn't walk up to someone and touch their face!! I would have told him to step away....with a growl. Also, I always feel a bit leary of anyone who tries to impress me with "this degree" or "that degree" it just shows that are not secure in their spirituality. If I ask about your Spiritual path that is another thing, but someone who loves to shove their "stuff" in your face when you first meet them....well....I am NOT impressed.

It does sound as if he has issues with self-esteem, just give it time, he will fade into the woodwork if he doesn't get his way, and just let everyone know that you do not approve of his presence around you...he feels icky.

I think you did the right thing, remember, always listen to the voice within, it will never lie.

Be well, my Sister...

Blessings Bright and Dark,

I couldn't agree more with all of the replies, and definately DON'T LET THIS GUY RENT SPACE IN YOUR HEAD, he doesn't desearve that honor....love and light, Lavendar-Ice

I have met people like that when I lived in Green Bay. Some of them ran a Pagan shop, after my first trip in there I refused to go back. One man was quizzing me at the counter about all kinds of things to find out what knowledge I had or didn't have. Later, when I was working at the same mall my manager was telling me all about this man and his "powers". The guy was projecting his energy to my manager and making it seem like it was some great magickal thing that only he had the power to do.
He tried to "heal" me that day because my back was hurting but I blocked him. (I have issues with people in my space, whether physically or just their energy) and I didn't request him to do that. In fact I didn't like the man and didn't want him near me.

In the end, I firmly believe you have to follow your instincts with this man, and other people. Those instincts are what keep us safe. Others will either sense the same about him right away, or quickly find out. We don't have to like everyone, or even anyone for that matter. And no one has the right to place their hands on a person like that without permission. I am not sure exactly how I would have handled that, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be in a sweet manner.
He seems like a person that wants others to be impressed by him, and the way he is going about it isn't the right way to get that respect. He will either learn or will be very lonely. And that isn't your issue to worry about.
Don't give him any more power by thinking of him and what he did, or what he may say about you to other Pagans. If he touches you again though, don't put up with it. Your under no obligations to be polite when people refuse to act like humans with at least some social abilities.

This fellow sounds like someone a friend introduced me to in Santa Fe many years ago. Acted as though his touch gave him immediate access and power. This friend and I had been sharing experiences in the psychic areas and trying to make sense out of it all. Suddenly every dream and/or experience was supposedly because he had "sent" them to us. I refused to play and my friend eventually had a devil of a time getting him out of her environment. I would wonder if this is the same man, but you're right LE, it's just letting the bum back into your space...too true, too true...

There are so many like that.  A new shop opened in my area and I was very excited about it.  They have some wonderful things, but the people put me off.  The energy is so yuk.  And they try to make everything a freeky, whitchy moment.  To the point of a really embaressing newspaper article about the powers etc etc.  I like to go intothe shop for the candels etc but protect myself very well before hand and don't open up conversation while in there.

It a shame there are people like this around, gives everything a bad taste.  Mind you I have had a few expereinces with people like that.  Its all about ego.

Good luck to the lot of them.

Kath

Hi Indeshadows,  I agree with the others not to give this person another thought, but it's hard when someone bugs you that much.  I met the mother of my son's friend and thought at first that we had some common interests, and I was really hopeful we could share our pagan interests, but as I got to know her more I realized how negative she was and that her vibes were really disturbing.  As I tried to distance myself, she became invasive and controlling.  That just creeped me out and I threw up walls of protection around myself, she eventually moved on to someone else she could "help".  I still sometimes think about how creepy the whole thing was.  But I don't let it bother me.  She's really a very lonely, sad, fearful person underneath all the bluster and bossyness.  Trust your vibes, or instincts, or first impression, whatever, it's usually very accurate.

yeesh.  Just reading about your experience sent my creep detector off.  Oh well, just keep your distance and don't let him close, physically or mentally.  Try not to think about him, where attention foes energy flows, and you don't want to feed him.

I am surprised he hasn't been hurt for touching people with out their permission.  If some guy I didn't know tried to touch my face I would not hesitate to defend my space with force.  But then I have issues with people in my space and men in general.

Oh I really really wanted to take his head off, but I was at work so smacking the crud out of him wouldn't have looked good. Though I'm sure the boss would have understood.

I haven't wasted to much time thinking about him, though I did do a good house cleansing and reinforced the protection.

Good news is others are seeing him for what he is. An my friend has moved out of there. I can already see the difference in her energy.

So things he's done is coming back around to bite him in the ass.

Indeshadow,
 Wow you handled that so well. If someone I didn't know touched my face or any other part of my body I would probably break their hand. Soon to be followed by my husband.
I was glad to read that people are seeing him for what he is. Personal space is so important if he can't respect that imagine what else he has no respect for.

It's been awhile sense I've given these person any thought. But today my friend called me out of the blue about this guy. After she unloaded every that's been going on with him and the troubles he's caused her and has been still filling peoples heads with crap about me and trying to get his "group" to send out psycic attacks, (though I haven't noticed a thing) he's turned his sights on her. Now she doesn't seem to be able to block him and has come to me to put a stop to him once and for all. She feels that it's him that's causeing some of her illnesses. She had blood work, CAT scans, and a hole array of tests and nada, they can't find anything.

I am unsure about becoming involved with this. He's not bugging me one bit, but I am concerned about her and her wellbeing. So I am at odds as how to handle this. On one hand I want to leave sleeping dogs lay, on the other I want to confront him and/or casting every single thing I can throw at him to put a stop to any farther troubles or to just drive him off for good.

I guess I just need a sounding board mostly. An time to give this some serious thought.


{Uuggg..some people!}

What types of things has she, herself, done to protect herself psychically and block his attacks?  It sounds like she is not protecting herself very well.

Obviously you are doing quite well in this, perhaps, just give her some pointers and let it go.  I wouldn't get too involved in that drama, though.  It has gone past you and you don't want to bring it back.  Has she done any banishing?