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Posted Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:21 pm...
Coming Out as a Witch at Work
by Lauren


Are you "out" in your workplace? Do your co-workers and bosses know you’re a
Witch? Most Witches I know are very much in the broom closet in that respect.
They feel it’s better to keep their religious beliefs private for fear of
reprisal, or that it’s no one’s business how they worship. Let’s face it, there
are a lot of whackos out there, and one of them may be in the cubicle next to
you—ready to make your life a living hell if they ever found out you were
Pagan.
Or you may have a less-than-understanding boss who wouldn’t hesitate to
terminate you if he or she knew what you did on the full moon each month. In
these supposedly enlightened times, religious discrimination is alive and well
and living in America.



Then again, there are Witches who work in mainstream America who are completely
out, and have not suffered from it. I’m one of them. I was an editor at an
insurance publishing company for ten years, and for the past three years, have
worked in the legal department of Fidelity Investments. Talk about conservative
environments! Yet everyone knows about me, and it has not been detrimental in
the least to my career.

But just because I’m out and have not encountered any problems doesn’t mean
that
you won’t. Everyone’s workplace is unique and you do have to be aware of what
you could be up against if you decide to open up. Of course, there are many
workplaces where "different" lifestyles are acceptable, and you may be
fortunate
enough to work in one. But generally speaking, if you’re working in an office
environment, chances are you’ll be taking a risk in opening up. Only you can
decide what’s best for you.

In my case, I’ve never been one to hide much. I feel that being a Witch is an
important part of me and I want everyone in my life to know all about me. But I
was also well aware of my workplace environment. Fidelity may be
ultra-conservative, but I happen to work for a group of attorneys and I knew
that from a legal standpoint, even if they didn’t approve or understand my
lifestyle, they would never let me know that. And honestly, none of them even
batted an eyelash when they found out about me. Why? Because they got to know
ME
first. They know I’m not a nut. They know I’m level-headed and intelligent and
a
hard worker. If I happen to be a Witch, well…so what?? It has nothing to do
with
my abilities as an employee and does not interfere with my job. Also, I work
with highly educated people. It may not always be the case, but I have found
that the more educated and well-read a person is, the more open-minded.

On the other hand, my husband and I have a kitchen design business, which he
does full-time and I’m presently involved in part-time. Naturally, I don’t come
out to my customers. I’m in their homes to sell them their dream kitchen, not
to
discuss religion. And I wonder how many kitchens we’d sell if they knew I was a
Witch? None, probably—because they haven’t gotten to know me for who I am. All
they know is the label "Witch." And that can be a scary word to the ignorant.

My former HP has a high-level job at an engineering firm and would never
consider coming out to his co-workers. Given the environment of his company, he
would never be able to climb the corporate ladder if his bosses knew his
background. Another friend works in the computer industry. A few select friends
there are aware that he’s Pagan, but he’s very low-key about it and doesn’t
openly advertise his beliefs.

So the bottom line here is to use your judgment. There’s no right or wrong. It
would be nice to be open to everyone, but this isn’t a perfect world.

One Witch who’s been out in all her jobs is Morwynna. She lives in the
MetroWest
area and has been a Witch since the late sixties—"longer than I've been in the
labor force," she says. Solitary until 1987, she joined the Alexandrian
initiatory lineage in 1993. I asked her a few questions about her experiences
coming out as a Witch at work.

What type of work do you do?
The specific workplace environments have been crucial to my success in being
"out at work." I'm an "administrative support" person, and have held titles
ranging from "cashier" to "assistant manager" to "labor market economist" to
"administrative assistant." However, my work environments have always been
either places where eccentricity and artsy-ness is expected and people wouldn't
want to admit they were freaked out by a lifestyle choice (parts of the
restaurant business, university, Ticketron--supervising part-timers who were
rock musicians or college students) OR places where religious freedom has
already been staked out as a basic legal necessity (state government, MIT).
I'm
now working at a holistic health center where everyone is new-age-y, so in a
way
I'm almost conservative in being something so structured as Wiccan! It's
refreshing. Within two weeks of starting the job, I was asked to lead a ritual
for my boss' bridal shower, so clients and co-workers know exactly who I am and
while it's a great thing, it's so different. And I get invited to some
different kinds of rituals, too.

How long have you been "out" in your workplace?
I was never not "out."

How did you go about letting your co-workers know?
I waited until they asked "What religion are you?" or until it came up some
other way (i.e., "What did you do this weekend?" "I went to a celebration of
the
Spring Equinox." "I wrote an article about the Keltic holidays I celebrate.")
It was a very individual thing, each person hearing as much as they were ready
to hear and not more.

What types of reactions did you receive?
Often a blank stare, which is an encouraging sign because it's an opportunity
for education. I find the attempts to be friendly more interesting than any
hostile responses (which, if I ever got one, I ignored). Like people going out
of their way to mention that they went to Salem (I have no interest in Salem)
or
assuming that all Wiccans know each other. Or that I want to spend my lunch
breaks giving free tarot readings.

Any funny or interesting stories?
One of my co-workers at the state agency was very cool and sympathetic; his
wife's an astrologer. He was excited about my coming to work there, and one
day
a regular contact called him and said, "I called yesterday and spoke with a
nice
woman, is she new there?" and Ed said, "yes, she's our new Witch." And the guy
said, "oh no, she was really quite pleasant!"

A the state agency, there were rules that "holiday decorations" could have no
"religious content." We giggled as we hung up our holly & mistletoe which were
religious for us but quite approved-of. However, one Victorian holly wreath
cutout had a baby new year cherub sitting in it and someone threatened to make
an issue of it, but christian fundamentalists came to my defense and said I
should be allowed my "angel."

Have you been treated differently since you came out?
Again, I was never not out; but also it didn't usually "come up" until people
had already decided that they liked me, after it was clear that I was doing a
good job, and after it was very clear that I wasn't going to fit the cultural
mainstream mold in any case. So when the occasional person was visibly
uncomfortable, it was a little late for them to totally change their minds
about
me as a person; they'd have to change their minds about spiritual diversity
instead. There was only one time that I let it be one of the first things
someone knew about me. That was a job interview! I was explaining why I was
looking for something with flexible hours, and I used the word "clergy". I got
the job.

Do you have any advice for someone who would like to come out but is still a
little nervous?
Be matter-of-fact and nonchalant. Don't act like you have something "big" to
tell them. If you act like it's no big deal, they are much more likely to
also feel that it's no big deal. Sometimes even make your explanations dry and
boring
when they're expecting (hoping for) something lurid. Remember, many will
already think you're way too "colorful," so make sure to present yourself as
"serious" if you want to be taken seriously in the workplace. If you sound
like
an anthropologist, they may be disappointed but they will consider you brainy
and respectable rather than flaky. Then, if someone is excited and really
WANTS
to know more, you can try to convey the spirit of what we do! But that
shouldn't be the first approach. Some of my co-workers knew for a couple of
years that I attended a weeklong spiritual retreat every august, before getting
around to asking any more detail about my spirituality. I use the words
"meditation" and "mythology" a lot until people begin to ask more specific
questions.

Don't belittle other paths after you're out. Perhaps your co-workers would
like to kvetch about their bad church experiences, but let them bring it up
first.
Don't preach or recruit. Treat others as you would like to be treated. Be
prepared to answer clueless questions patiently. If folk are hinting about
learning more, recommend a couple of books that you think that individual would
be able to relate to. (I used to keep on hand a really old copy of Circle
Network News that was an issue on "celebrating the seasons." I found it pretty
vanilla and accessible but containing a lot of info, including academic
references.)

Most of all, have a confident attitude. Don't treat it like a "naughty
secret."
Look people warmly and directly in the eye with the certain knowledge that your
path is every bit as respectable as theirs.

At the government job, I took full advantage of the rigidly
enforced "diversity"
of the structured holiday celebrations by joining the choir and having some
input on the performance program. It was mostly "winter" songs, with one for
chanukah, one calypso tune, one for Kwaanza and one for Chinese New Year. I
added "Deck the Hall" and gave a short talk on its origin as a Welsh Yule carol
as well as the origins of the Solstice celebration. I also joined the group
that
lobbied to include one actual christmas carol (I like singing!).

There was also a toy drive for kids in homeless shelters and if you donated
money you got to put your name on a construction paper "ornament" on a bulletin
board "tree". I always made a donation in the name of Covenant of The Goddess
and made sure it was displayed prominently.

This brings me to the tough part: Once people know about my spirituality, I'm
stuck maintaining a good reputation for ethics, integrity, and behavior. I
know
that I can't do anything that will reflect badly on the Wiccan community. It
can feel like a burden, but perhaps it's good to have a constant motivation.

Ultimately, are you glad you let your co-workers know?
I couldn't live any other way. I know some people feel differently, including
some that I highly respect, but I would never be able to take the stress of
constantly pretending to be someone other than who I am. I will not hide or
lie
about my life, because to me that would mean I am ashamed of who I am. For
this
reason, I made sure to send my child to a school where spiritual diversity is
encouraged. Yes, I would probably feel differently if i worked with a bunch of
violent rednecks (the restaurant business was pretty darn close to that, but I
was young and even more idealistic and foolishly brave). But if I worked with a
bunch of violent rednecks then I'd probably go find a different job; quality of
life matters in the workplace. It does take extra effort to educate people (if
I'm not able to truly educate them about my religion, then at least to educate
them that civilized people do not openly disrespect others' beliefs), but then
I
know I'm leaving behind a slightly more educated world.

---------------------------------

You need to think long and hard about it, but if you feel it’s time to come out
of the workplace broom closet, the following should help:

1. Know Thy Co-Workers. How do they treat "different" people? Are they
open-minded? If your boss is a born-again Christian, chances are he or she will
not be happy to learn of your religious beliefs. Then again, it may not be a
problem. There was a born-again at my previous job who did not change her
opinion towards me when she found out and even gave me a gift when I left the
company (no, it wasn’t a Bible!). But let’s face it—that’s not the norm with
fundamentalists. They can be pretty unyielding and judgmental. I was just
lucky.
So, if you need your job and there are people in control who fit this profile,
you may want to think twice about coming out.


2. Use Discretion. Don’t walk into a job interview with pentagrams blazing
(unless you’re interviewing for a position in an occult shop). You may argue
that’s if it’s OK for people to wear their crosses and Stars of David, its OK
for you to wear your pentagram. Theoretically, you’re right—but let’s face it,
unless your interviewer is Pagan, he or she will probably think you’re a devil
worshiper. Keep the pentagram under wraps until they get to know YOU. Then,
little by little, you can let your true self emerge. If you’ve been at your job
a while and feel that now is the time to come forward, do it in a subtle way.
In
my case, I hung a Witches’ calendar behind my desk. People were intrigued, and
started asking questions. It was that simple.


3. Be Prepared for Reactions. Some people may be perfectly fine with your
disclosure, others may be horrified. Either way, you will have some explaining
to do, because everyone will be curious. You’ll get a lot of facetious
questions: "Where’s your broom?" "Can you put a spell on my ex-boyfriend?" and
so on. Try to be gracious, even though it may be hard. They really don’t know
any better. It’s up to you to educate them. And the way you react could make or
break their opinions of Witches in general. I know, it’s not fair for you to
carry that burden, but let’s face it—the only Witch that most of them will ever


If you cant explain it simply, you dont understand it well enough.-- Albert Einstein

Blessings Bright and Dark,

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Posted Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:19 am...
I made the mistake of being open at work about my faith. They made sure they got rid of me and lie to me about the possiblity of returning. Come to find out that owners are fundimentlist christians. Even though their actions and business practices are anything but saintly. Outsourcing to India and lying to clients about security and out right lying to the employees and scimming benifit money. Now I dont have a legal leg to stand on but I just wanna warn people, Follow the dont ask dont tell rule it is safer. Iwould get all kinds of emails about how I needed my soul saved on a daily basis. So unfortunately it is better to stay low. I know I will in the future.
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Posted Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:59 am...
We really do still have an enormous amount of religious bigotry here in the States.  I have helplessly stood by and watched my husband be "laid off" from a couple of good jobs for really inane reasons.  One job at a major Hotel chain, which is very vocal about being an "equal opportunity employer" let him go after three months of proving himself, bending over backwards and doing everything and more.  Three different people were involved in his discharge and gave him conflicting reasons, one said he wasn't needed, another said that was too slow at his job (which was most definitely not true) and the other said that they hired someone who was more qualified to run the front desk.  (Mr K. has a BA in Hotels and Tourism!)  It happened shortly after he asked if there was a place where he could pray during his lunch break.  He is a Muslim.  We probably should have fought, but we needed all the money we had left to exist until he could get another job.  It was awful what they did to him. (But, he's strong and bounced back with incredible speed!)
I would be dreadfully stupid in my work to let them even suspect anything.  I work in an Islamic school, and as far as they are concerned, I'm a good American convert married to a good Muslim man.  (In my case, its not the "don't ask, don't tell" concept but more, the "if they ask, don't lie, just don't tell them the truth" concept.)  What they don't know won't hurt me!


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Posted Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:31 pm...
In todays job market it is so hard to find a job. I am still unemployed after 8 months. It cost me my health and mental health. I want to go to school but cant. With the death of my mother and the baby on its way, I regret ever coming out at work. Honesty is not the best policy. Without a degree, I am so hosed. I have prayed to the Lord and Lady but nothing so far and it is getting worse.
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Posted Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:38 pm...
I know I have told this to people on here before, but have you ever tried substitute teaching?  With a HS diploma you can get an okay salary, but it goes up if you have a certain amount of hours in college/uni (I can't remember, but it's probably around 60 or so hours).  And if you have a BA, it's even Higher.  I was making $75 bucks a day without a degree (It's not a lot, but it really is better than waiting tables!) as a sub a couple of years ago and I was able to pick and choose the days I went in.  ...and I never had to call in sick if I had to take a day off!  There is a 4 hr class that I had to take to get the certificate which cost me a whopping $40 bucks and then I got a job.  In the city you don't have to worry much about availability of classes every day.  There's always a teacher taking off somewhere!


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Posted Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:52 am...
I dont think I have the patience for the teaching thing. It takes a real special person to teach. Although I am quite good at music and computers I dont think I would be able to pull it off. But thank you for the idea though.
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Posted Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:50 pm...
I'm not coming out that I am a Pagan to anyone at work.  I just don't think it's a good idea for me to do so.
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Posted Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:08 am...
Everyone who knows me knows my beliefs.  I figure if you can't accept me for who I am, I dont want you in my space Wink.  As far as work goes, I have been lucky in the past.  I was a roster manager for a reasonable sized security firm, and my boss whom I have known for at least 10 years is a strict catholic, but he has a wicked sense of humor.  He enjoyed telling new staff at big meetings that I was a witch and that if they did not turn up for work, or fill in paperwork for me correctly, I would turn them into toads *laughs*.  I also suppose things are no doubt different here to other places in the world.  Don't get me wrong, there is still fundies that have issues with pagans etc, but it just doesnt seem to be as much of a big deal here as other places.  I am thankful for the blessing of having had a great employer when I was working, and great staff who didnt judge me.  I have been a stay at home mum *notes grey hair and bald patches from ripping hair out  Shocked * but I am returning to study this year to become a Naturopath, and from what I can tell, many of the other students walk the pagan path aswell.
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Posted Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:35 pm...
I live and work in very small town in Texas! Living in small town Texas has been interesting since I came out of the closet! Some people are open minded but alot are closed minded and tend to look down there noses at me, but the closed minded people are the ones with the most questions. LOL I've even noticed that people that I once considered my "friends" now avoid me.

I work in an even smaller town, about 10 miles from where I live, in a little restaruant and they have been very open minded about my religion. A few even think it's "cool" and they are always full of questions. Of course, they all got to know me for me before I came out of the closet. I have a t-shirt with a pentacle on the front and it says "Out of the Broom Closet" on the front also; I wore it to work last week and no one said anything about it. LOL I did, however, get quite a few "weird" looks and stares from several customers.
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Posted Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:17 pm...
I deleted my earlier post.  Sorry.  I'll explain why.
My last job was from the dark ages.  My boss thought that drug dealers were gays, and on my first day at work, my co-worker informed me what she thought of witches.  Apparantly, I give off that vibe or something.  On my last day of work, another co-worker invited me to a summer soltice theme gathering that involved the healing of mother earth.  When I said that I was interested, but I couldn't attend, she never spoke to me again.  I think she was only trying to promote a tourism spot and when I expressed who I was, I think it scared her.  
My first post included her website.  Doing that left a bad feeling for me.
I didn't know her that well, so it's  ok, but that was my first experience.  I know that a lot of other people have it worse.
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