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Posted Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:08 am...
I met one and was kinda stunned. I didn't get to ask her why she votes conservative, but I've been wondering ever since. Are there any other wiccans who vote republican? It just surprised me that someone who's religion teaches them to be open and accepting would vote conservative, which usually means Christian. And usually Republicans don't really care for "alternative" religions. . . Bush even denounced Wicca as a religion in 1999.

I don't mean to put anyone down, it just surprises me that after Bush's hatred toward Wicca, someone would still vote republican.


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Posted Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:55 am...
I am a Republican, though technically not a true Wiccan. I do have somewhat conservative values despite being pagan and gay.
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Posted Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:15 pm...
Thanks, I learned something today.  Republicans are the Canadian version of Conservative, and Bush is a Republican.  
I'm assuming this is true, correct me if I'm not, but even though a President has personal opinions that we don't agree with, or way out of whack, don't they have a group of people to guide them in the right direction? Like their right hand-man, and also the U.S version of what we have is a cabinet.  
For many years, I have voted Liberal, but because they want to raise taxes (in this economy?), and their provincial govt made decisions I don't agree with, I will probably vote Conservative for a few more years, even though I totally agree with you on the personal issues.
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Posted Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:31 pm...
Well, in our most recent presidency, our "fearless leader" didn't listen much to those who wanted to guide him in the right direction.  He sort of did things "his way or the highway" which is why the world economy has plummetted!  (Iraq war or bust...he chose both).


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Posted Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:23 pm...
Like seamonster said, Bush has pretty much run things his way and only his way. He even said once that things would be easier "if this were a dictatorship".

I suppose that's why it really surprised me that someone would vote republican after Bush was in office. Although, I myself - who am very liberal - considered voting for McCain after Obama won the primaries. At first I wasn't sure if he was competent, but am happy now. Thanks for responding.

HernesOwn, I am honestly curious. Would you elaborate a little? I think you should vote your heart, so I'm interested to know what it is about the republican party that would make a Wiccan, pagan or homosexual vote republican.


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Posted Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:31 am...
Well, let's see... I am against abortion (harm none), I oppose gay marriage (yes, I know, being gay that is a strange stand but there it is...), and I oppose Unions (yes once upon a time there was a place for them, but these dinosaurs have outlived their day). I oppose Obama's stand on bargaining with terrorists. If we start doing that then every AMerican who travels overses will be in danger of being targeted for attack. Those are just a few of my view points, and why I am a Republican.
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Posted Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:44 am...
I have been a registered Republican since 1980, although I don't talk about it too much.  I voted for Ronald Reagan both times. (It just seemed the thing to do at the time.)  I voted for George H. in 1988.  I haven't voted for a Republican Presidential candidate since, and at times I've been disappointed that the Republicans haven't put forth a candidate for whom my personal values will allow me to vote.  (The Old Guy and his Bible-thumping, book-burning trophy veep, for example.)  I believe in both the freedom and responsibility of the individual, and the Republican party has become the party of big business, intent on robbing us of our individuality.  That wasn't the original idea; let's not forget that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.  I tell people I'm a paleoconservative.  I believe in a strong bond with our planet.  I believe in living in harmony with one's fellow man.  I believe that following one's own path is the most important thing one can do.  I don't believe that I'm exalted enough to decide who marries whom.  I believe that we should appreciate and learn and grow from one another's differences.  Maybe I'll reregiister as a Libertarian.

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Posted Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:16 am...
Ok, gonna be odd man here, and make this one statement,

wouldn't it make more sense to throw the 'labels' away, and take a look at the people and figure out which would be the best person for the job, and not worry about parties, and leave those for the celebrations to follow whom ever wins, and actually that would be all of us!


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Posted Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:37 pm...
This is all interesting and thank you. I see where a pagan republican might be coming from now and it makes more since to me, so thanks.

And I agree Novia, it's always a good idea to vote with the candidate you feel is most competent.

But since we usually associate with a particular party I thought this was interesting. I honestly wasn't trying to offend anyone, just want to understand. Even though I have strong political opinions, I think the important thing is voting, not who you vote for. Thanks again.


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Posted Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:10 am...
A question here for those of us who consider themselves Republican; Have you ever read the Republican Party Platform? When I married my husband many years ago he proceeded to tell me he was a "Republican" I am very much a liberal but his views are at least socially more liberal than mine and I knew that so I was puzzled. His explanation was that Republicans were the party of individual rights, financial responsiblity etc.... which of course sent me into fits of hysterical laughter.

After many heated discussions I got him a copy of the Republican Party Platform to read he kept saying "This is some Nazi Propaganda and you just copied the Republican Party thing on the front page of it"

.....LOL....I didnt it was the real McCoy...he is no longer a Republican

I believe a candidates party does matter because his core beliefs and loyalties are going to be there. I personally can not vote for anyone belonging to any party that espouses a philosophy that divides and pits Americans against one another.

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Posted Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:33 pm...
I am proud to say I am a libertarian my self.  I disagree with a lot of the views Republicans have on religion and abortion and such but I also dislike the democrats views on a lot of things.  The libertarian view point is that the government should be smaller and do less and leave big decisions up to the states and the individual citizens.


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Posted Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:21 am...
I want more options!

I never vote a straight ticket and think both parties have major problems.

Basically all I can do is hope the person I vote for has the backbone to stick with what they claim in their campaign.  Then it comes back and bites me too many times.
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Posted Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:47 pm...
I am a registered Democrate, however I look at the person and where they stand on the issues.  I have been known to vote Republican.  Socially, I am very liberal.  Date and/or marry who you want,  Help those that are tring to help themselves.  Everyone deserves the best medical care possible regardless of their financial situation.  Financially, I do lean conservative though.
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Posted Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:20 pm...
This is a fascinating subject, esp. what GreenMonk had to say. I was figuring when I jumped into this pool I would find a bunch of people who are intolerant of conservatives - which is what I often find on other pagan forums. It was a nice surprise to say the least. I've stated elsewhere that I am not wiccan, more of a non-wiccan Pagan, but I don't readily identify with either party. Instead I consider myself an independent conservative. Conservative in belief and independent by nature. I don't really like what either party stands for and feel that they have really taken control over the process. Anyone who runs for office and is not part of either of the two big parties will get next to no time with the media, will not be considered as seriously as the two parties, will not be heard of as much in debates, and as a general rule if you don't know about a third candidate and you don't know where they stand, you can't very well vote for them now can you?

I voted for Bush II, and regretted every moment. In my opinion the only good thing he did was go to Iraq, and he didn't even do that right. We shouldn't be spending years over there. He should have sent troops and not tied their hands behind their backs, disabling them from doing a job that should have taken a much shorter span of time. I think the problem that people face when they look upon Bush as a former president is that they see the R next to his name, but closer inspection (and my belief the reason why he pissed off so many conservative voters) is that as a Republican president he was way too liberal.

I've often felt that conservative values and pagan values actually run concurrent, and not contrary to one another. And those beliefs harken back to the constitution. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (so long as that pursuit does not hinder another person's rights and freedoms). Syndicated talk show host Michael Savage once had a discussion regarding child molestors and the pursuit of happiness with a caller who was a Satanist. It was a very fascinating conversation to say the least. Both agreed that one person's pursuit of happiness might very well go against the freedoms, rights and safety of another. That is something that I think everyone should keep in mind when they talk about the pursuit of happiness.

Religion doesn't usually get me down with conservatives. Sure they tend to be Christian. As GreenMonk pointed out, Abraham Lincoln was Christian, but Lincoln and his wife were also open-minded enough to welcome spiritualists into the white house. They may have even been spiritualists themselves. Spiritualism was very popular in the 19th century. Though many people refuse to acknowledge it, America has a deeply rooted and varied spiritual past, and magic is absolutely a part of that. I think people in the 19th century had a wider understanding of what religion actually meant. Many of those people were well read likely read some of the classics of Greek and Roman history, just like the founders of this nation a century before. Man former presidents at least from Washington to Roosevelt, were confirmed freemasons. Christians these days seem to think that there is a great black and white divide between Christianity and Paganism - believing that one is good and one is evil. And that in my opinion is only one example of how our nation has become 'dumbed down' over time. There are plenty more, but there isn't enough room for that.

I hold many conservative values and many views that people often tell me sound almost contrary to that line of thinking. I believe that family is very important. I'm against abortion, I am against gay marriage although I would gladly support civil unions, I believe we should maintain our borders, language and culture, maintain our military but not make them occupy a foreign place for too long, esp. when it isn't accomplishing anything, I support free enterprise and am against government interference(gun control, imminent domain, bailouts, not to mention the recent acquisition of artists to create propaganda style ads to promote certain healthcare agendas) . I am also in favor of marijuana legalization, and identify with the goth subculture. Even though I believe in upholding certain institutions, am also open to ideas for challenging those same structures.
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